The Catholic Church and Saints

One of the issues I had early on in life and most Protestants still have is the perceived way the Catholics deal with Saints.  Early on, this was a factor for me that kept me away from the Catholic Church and from looking at it seriously.  I felt that instead of praying to God, the Catholics were making “minor gods”, in the Saints, and using icons of Saints to worship them.

How wrong I was, and the Protestants are!

All people who die and go to heaven are felt, by the Catholic Church, and to the best of my knowledge, all Christian based faith systems, to be saints.  A way to look at it are saints (those who die and go to heaven) and Saints (those who lead, at least at last parts of their life, a life of Christ and in Christ) being two categories of Saints, in the Catholic Church.

To be labeled as a Saint, big S vs little s, by the Catholic Church there are some steps to go through.  First the last years of the life of the person must have been lived well by the standards of the Bible.  By that I mean that the person used the Life of Christ as a way of life themselves.  It may include being a martyr on behalf of Christ (and if you die fight for Christ, you almost automatically get Saint status).  Next, after at least 5 years from the death of the person, a petition can be submitted to have the person Sanctified, or Sainted.

A background investigation is done to verify that, at least at the ends of that person’s life, they lived a good life, that they were not breaking the law of the Church, were helping the poor, etc..  If they meet a long list of requirements they are then reviewed to see how they have interceded on behalf of “the people”.  In the old days, there had to be at least 5 “miracles” attributed to intercessory request of that person by “the people”.  Today the requirement is 2 or 3, depending on the “severity” of the miracle.

What does being a Saint, vs a saint, mean?  ALL it means is that the life, at least the later part, of this person is one that we should emulate and/or learn from.  We should look at the good qualities of this person and strive to add them into our life as well.

Does the Catholic “worship” and pray to them?  No, a good Catholic person does not.  The Catholics believe that those in Heaven, all saints and Saints, are able to hear our pleas and request, and we “talk to the Saints” asking for their Intercessory prayers to God our Father.  EVERY conversation with a Saint should be followed by a prayer to God asking God for what you asked the Saint to intercede on your behalf to God for.

Why the icons/statues/etc?  They are to be reminders of the life of that person, to help you focus yourself on their attributes that took them to Heaven.  They are not “idolized”, prayed to, etc.  They are a focus of our memory to remind us what we should be doing!

Why pick “Patron Saints”?  The Patron Saint(s) you select should have the attributes that you are lacking and want to have in your life.  These may change as you grow in Christ and in life.  They don’t always have to remain the same as you change.  So, if you see a statue or other representation of a Saint at a friends house, it means, or should mean, that person is wishing to emulate and learn, or has learned from that person’s life.

Now, this all said, SOME Catholics are not fully aware of what the Saints are, and how the interaction with them is best suited, per the Church.  We are all human, and not all have been educated in the ways of the Church, as many Protestants or other faith systems, have not been fully indoctrinated in their system.  SOME people MAY pray to a Saint INSTEAD of God, or leave out the prayers to God asking for what they are “praying to the Saints”  for.  This is NOT the standard of the Church though!  It is NOT the main way the majority of the Catholic faithful use the Saints either.  The vast majority of the Catholic faith actually follow the guidelines and teachings of the Church!

In Christ!

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Religious Life Ends

During the year 2008, our supervising Bishop retired due to health, and shortly after that, our Superior General left the Order for some reason.  In the process, the newly selected Superior General moved the Order to Ft. Lauderdale Florida.  A few months later, he petitioned the Archbishop of Miami, our new local See, to be our Supervising Bishop.  Several months later, in early 2009, the Archbishop of Miami shut the Order down on grounds that it was not set up correctly 13 years earlier, that it had not had correct supervision during that time, and therefore the vows given were not valid.  We had 24 hours to move out and turn everything over to the Church or other Non-Profit organization per our Rule of Life.  (I want to add here that he was 100% correct on the past of the Order, but I’m not sure he did the right thing in shutting us down, instead of allowing us to get back within Canon and working with us to get things right.)

I began looking for other Religious Orders to join, but was universally told that I was too old, being over 40, inching VERY close to 50 (turn 50 this month, as I type this!).  I was tentatively accepted to one Order and went to a Silent Retreat in preparation for being accepted, but in the middle of it, I was told that I would not be accepted due to age again.

One thing led to another and I ended up moving to Kentucky, continuing to study the Bible, the Catholic Faith, and learning all I can about God and His requirements on us.

After much prayer, and much reading and even more prayer, I very much feel the call to Religious Life, and have decided to follow the path of one of my Patron Saints, Saint Francis of Assisi, and have started a new Order, The Order of Brothers of Reconciliation, that will allow any male, 18 and older, in communion with the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and of sufficient health, mental capacity, and abilities to become a Religious into the Order.  Age is not to be a discriminating factor, only being in communion with the Church, the Canon of the church, and health, both physical and mental, will be considered.

In Christ!

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New Beginnings

While in Maryland, before moving to Florida, I looked over all the religions and faith systems that I had looked at before.  Nothing felt right.  The closest to right was the ways I was currently following, that of the Native Americans.

A good job came up that took me down to Florida, and I pretty much dropped the quest if favor of work, but in the course of work, I ran into a lady that captured my attention because of her faith.  She lived on the west side of Florida, and I lived on the east side of Florida.  We talked long and often about her beliefs.  We spent hours on the phone, often late into the night, talking about Catholicism.  This drew me even closer to the idea of looking deeper into the Catholic Church.

I dropped my younger brother a line, but never heard back from him.

I went to 5 or 6 Catholic Churches in the Fort Lauderdale area, and pretty much got a cold shoulder as the RCIA (Right of Christian Initiation for Adults) program had just started a couple of months earlier, and no one was wanting to accept new Candidates.  It almost chased me away.

I finally made an appointment with Father Francis at St. Henry Catholic Church for after Mass one week day, and went to Mass to listen to him before we talked.  After Mass was over, he vanished and I never saw him the rest of that morning.  I hung around for about 30 minutes, and the Receptionist saw me sitting in the Church when she came to lock it up and asked if she could help me.  I informed her I was there to meet the Priest for an appointment, and she informed me that he had not put it in the calendar, and had been called away for a very sick person, could she schedule me for the next day?

I said yes, but in my mind I thought, “Hmmm, bet that he just forgot and is back in his office.”  (I later found out he had in fact been called to the Hospital.)  We schedule me to meet with him the next day after Mass.

So the next day I went to Mass again, and after the Mass, we went into his office and talked.  During that meeting he informed me that his Church was a smaller Church with an older community, and that they did not do RCIA there, that I should go talk to the Priest at St. Elizabeth’s in Pompano Beach (just up the road).  I told him that I had, but that their classes were already in session by a few months (it was only a couple months from Easter) and they felt it was too late to join.  We ended on that note.

I went home kinda discouraged about Catholicism and figured my search was still on…  And I prayed to God asking where I should be.

A few days later I received a call from Father Francis, and missed it, so he left a message:  “Dr. Bell, If you have not found a Church that will accept you as a Candidate, please come by the offices here, and we will talk again.”  I called back and left a message asking when I should stop by, late that evening after I listened to the message.  About 10 minutes later I received a call back from him and he said come in the next day after Mass.

I went into Mass the next day, and then we meet in his office again.  We talked a bit about general topics then he asked how my search for RCIA was going. I told him not so well.  He then told me that he would teach me what I needed to know but that he felt I needed to be with other Adults learning as well, so he would insure that I would be accepted into the next years RCIA class, and then he picked up a book and handed it to me.  He got up and told me to follow him, in which he lead me to an office across from his.

He said, “Read this, tell me what you think when you are done.  No questions till you have finished it.  This is your office, come as you want to use it.”

I ended up using that office 5 and 6 days a week for over a year, reading books he recommended and books I found on my own dealing with the Philosophy, Theology, and the Doctrine of the Catholic Church.  We had MANY GREAT conversations about God, faith, and the Catholic Church.

I purchased my first Rosary a few weeks later and began saying the Rosary daily.  A few months after that, I purchased the 4th volume of the Liturgy of the Hours (a 4 volume set that changes based on the time of the year, and we were currently on the 4th volume) and started doing the Liturgy of the Hours seven times a day.

One day I decided to find a case for my Rosary as it kept breaking in my pockets and getting tangled up in things, and I found a Catholic store that carried them locally.

I walked in and looked around.  I ended up talking in length with the proprietor who was a Brother in an Order who’s habit was EXACTLY like my dreams years earlier!  (Yes, I bought a case and some other items that day!)

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